Jason & I talk with Joe Brewer about the impact of conceptuality on perception & embodiment, the impossibility of understanding planetary collapse & what that means, getting lost in abstraction & duality, personal & ecological trauma, making & breaking conceptual frames, cancerous human thinking, the invisible regenerative revolution, the dynamics of coercion, top-down vs bottom-up regeneration, ecological succession, sustainable life-systems, acting bioregionally, and more!

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Cargo Cults

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The Century of the Self

Joanna Macy

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Donella Meadows' Leverage Points Paper

Joe's Earth Regenerator Group

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