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Wide-ranging chat with Charlie Awbery about spiritual methods, views, paths, and their relationship with therapy and everyday life.
A wide-ranging chat with my friend, teacher, and co-founder of Evolving Ground, Charlie Awbery. We reflect on our 'first awakening' experiences, renunciative practice, and the impact these experiences had on our lives and relationships. Then, we explore practices and results from different spiritual vehicles, life-affirming practices and views, and the illusion and danger of perfection. We wrap things up by talking about the goals of therapy and spiritual practice and how they impact each other in helpful and unhelpful ways.
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Evolving Ground Stoa Series: 03 Confidence
Charlie Awbrey & I host the third session of a Stoa series that will establish the foundation Evolving Ground.
Charlie Awbrey & I host the third session of a Stoa series that establishes the foundation for practitioners interested in our community of contemporary Vajrayana practice, Evolving Ground.
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Vajrayana Now: Sutra to Tantra
I co-hosted a Stoa session about spiritual practice stances (yanas) with my friend & teacher, Charlie Awbery.
In this video, I co-host a Stoa session with my friend & teacher, Charlie Awbrey. We focused on the difference between the Sutric (renunciative) & Tantric (transformative) stances of Buddhist practice.
#43 Embracing the Dark
We talk with the Light Dark Institute founder, Leslie Rogers about his dark awakening, light vs dark personal work, mythopoetic power, collapse, death, pain as pleasure, & more.
Jason & I talk with Leslie Rogers about what led him to start the Light Dark Institute, being in a sex cult, kink & BDSM, his dark awakening, personality & identity transformation, dark desires, the difference between light & dark personal work, orgasmic meditation & other influences on Leslie's practices, tantra, archetypes & deities, pleasure, healing & processing, triggering & mythopoetic power, tribal psycho technologies, nonduality, Jared's inner cynic, civilization collapse & catastrophe, death, pain as pleasure, humiliation, stoicism, and more.
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The Good, the True, & the Beautiful Series
Recordings of a Stoa series where I talk about what it means to embrace the Good, the True, & the Beautiful in everyday life.
In this four-part series that I hosted on the Stoa I talk about how I’ve personally come to understand what it means to embrace & express the Good, the True, & the Beautiful in everyday life.
I hope watching the replays is helpful even though the breakout sessions that happened on the live call are not included (these breakouts included rich discussions between all who attended the live session).
Part 1: The True
Part 2: The Good
Part 3: The Beautiful
Part 4: Method
#40 Humility, Spirituality & Q&A
We talk about humility, Patreon, embodiment, nonduality & enlightenment, guru abuse, emerging modern spirituality, & more.
Jason & I talk about humility, memetic mediation, Patreon goals & perks, acting from uncertainty, embodiment & trauma/baggage, map vs territory, individual vs group development, mindfulness, compassion, nonduality & enlightenment, tantric practice, guru abuse, emerging modern spirituality & the limitations of intellect, the void, subtle sensations & the brilliance of the mundane, constructed cognition, what we're both concentrated on at the moment, and more.
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Jared's The Good, the True, the Beautiful Series
B/A: #39 Enabling Collaboration with Richard Bartlett
What Is Baggage?
In this video, Andrew Taggart & I talk about spirituality & what dealing with our baggage looks like in spiritual development.
I had the honor to talk with Andrew Taggart about spirituality (specifically, Eastern meditative practices), we discuss what baggage is using three different frames.
#37 Dancing with COVID
We talk with Sarah McManus about her emotional & psychological experience of contracting COVID-19 while in self-quarantine, emotional processing, cultural platforms, & much more.
Jason & I talk with Sarah McManus about her background, her emotional & psychological experience of contracting COVID-19, her ayahuasca shamanic apprenticeship in Peru, helplessness, emotional processing, the Bio-Emotive Framework, Buddhist practices & traditions, suffering, building & integrating new cultural platforms, reframing human development, pandemic fragility, learnings from Burning Man, dynamics of self-isolation, moving forward, chaos, order, and much more.
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Neural Annealing: Toward a Neural Theory of Everything
Clean Up, Wake Up, Grow Up with Ken Wilber
INVISIBILIA Podcast: The Reluctant Immortalist
Star Trek The Next Generation S1E2
B/A: #35 Erotic Potential with Debby Friday
Nora Bateson on the Emerge Podcast
The Context Institute - videos on cultural operating systems
Collaborative "nucleation sites"
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#36 Twitter Q&A, Tragedy & Transformation
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#36 Q&A, Tragedy & Transformation
Answering Twitter questions on bio-regeneration, mindfulness vs neurotic emotional responses to CV, fragility, tribal exposure & apprenticeship, our contemplative practices & more.
Jason & I answer Twitter questions and cover bio-regenerational orientations, COVID-19 induced mindfulness, tragedy & transformation, emotional escape & capture vs wholistic engagement, pluralistic food systems, the potential of minority rule, the role of the curator, the fragility of capitalist systems, future forcing functions, collecting & utilizing mental models, kinetic & meta tribes, skin in the game, learning through failure, tribal exposure & apprenticeship, Jason & Jared's contemplative practices, and more.
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#13 Problematizing Food Systems with Stephanie White
#35 Erotic Potential with Debby Friday
Donella Meadows' Leverage Points Paper
Donella Meadows' Dancing With Systems
The Patterning Instinct by Jeremy Lent
Jason's article, Integrating Mindfulness & Self-Inquiry
Jared's Guided Meditation on The Stoa
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#35 Erotic Potential
We talk with Debby Friday about her quarantine, the erotic, performance, CV impact on artists, death, tantra, creativity, ritual, the church of social justice & more.
Jason & I talk with musician, artist & writer Debby Friday about reflecting in quarantine, how she sees the erotic as a lifeforce, embodiment & performance, COVID-19 impact on touring artists & what Debby has been doing while social distancing, cultural habit, virus as a ghost, death denial & death drive, tantric practice, creativity, pop music, the power of ritual, the church of social justice, evoking spirit & much more.
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Debby's Article, TOGETHER, ALWAYS TOGETHER
Dave Chappelle Acceptance Speech
Debby Friday Tracks in episode
#33 Chat & Twitter Q&A
Jason & I chat about our supporters, Both/And, spiritual practice, the 'self', embodied cognition, bioregional living, fluid politics, how Jason & Jared disagree, and much more.
Jason & I have a wide-ranging chat about our podcast supporters, how Both/And could evolve, informal vs formal spiritual practice, stream-entry & the path of awakening, exploring perspectives of the 'self', embodied cognition, enactivism, memetic mediation, bioregional living, collapse, xenophobia vs diversity, the future of localism, psychological/cultural development, fluid politics, silence, vulnerability, how Jason & Jared disagree, and much more.
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Jason's article, Integrating Mindfulness & Self-Inquiry
#32 Regenerating Earth with Joe Brewer
Elinor Ostrom's 8 Principles for Managing A Commmons
#23 Integral Psych & Culture with Mark Forman
The Imperfect Buddha | Daniel Ingram on Integral Theory
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#32 Regenerating Earth
We talk with Joe Brewer about perception/embodiment, abstraction & duality, trauma, conceptual frames, the invisible regenerative revolution, acting bioregionally & more.
Jason & I talk with Joe Brewer about the impact of conceptuality on perception & embodiment, the impossibility of understanding planetary collapse & what that means, getting lost in abstraction & duality, personal & ecological trauma, making & breaking conceptual frames, cancerous human thinking, the invisible regenerative revolution, the dynamics of coercion, top-down vs bottom-up regeneration, ecological succession, sustainable life-systems, acting bioregionally, and more!
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#30 Aesthetic Embodiment
We talk with Rachel Haywire about her presidential candidacy, art & philosophy, the memetic tribal landscape, memes & aesthetics, embodiment & pain/suffering, VR & much more!
Jason & I talk with Rachel Haywire about her presidential candidacy, what led her to art & philosophy, the art right, her view of the memetic tribal landscape, the power of memes, her critique on Jared & Jason's meta tribe, the role & power of aesthetics, psychic fascism, the challenges & benefits of embodiment, pain & suffering, spiritual materialism, embodied VR, politics as aesthetic, tribal immune systems, memetic fashion, the 'NPC' meme, transgressive arts, and much more!
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My Jim Rutt Show Interview
It was a pleasure to be interviewed on The Jim Rutt Show! We take a deep dive into spirituality.
I had a great conversation on The Jim Rutt Show about the value & dynamics of spirituality. We dove deep on a bunch of topics ranging from the confabulated self, altered states vs altered traits, the equation & dynamics of suffering, embodiment/intuition, attention & awareness, the pleasure of concentration, and much more.
#27 The Future of Work
We talk with Paul Millerd about work & its connection to meaning & dignity, locality, work-life boundaries, work as service, group complexity, chaos, & much more.
Jason & I talk with Paul Millerd about his career path, Jared's recent leap to self-employment, the incentives of benefits & healthcare, history of firm-based vs contract work, expectations of work & its connection to meaning & dignity, local community, the boundary between work & life, basic income, consumerism, GDP determined lifestyles, shared local commons, self-determination theory, the 40-hour workweek, the pathless path, work as service, the complexity of teams & the role of chaos, and much more.
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If work dominated your every moment would life be worth living?
On Bullshit by Harry Frankfurt
Zachary Stein on The Musing Mind Podcast
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#25 Horrorism & Culture
We talk with the anonymous horrorist, Zero about his new book, his creative process, the self & culture, contemplation, pain & suffering, hierarchies, cultural colonialism, & much more.
Jason & I talk with horrorist, Zero HP Lovecraft about why he started writing & where his alias came from, his new book, his creative process & influences, the horrorist aesthetic, the unknowability of our own values, the self & culture as software, media's impact on culture, his view on the future & contemplative development, euphoric depersonalization, the role of pain & suffering, societal hierarchies, cultural colonialism & design, chaos & order, and much more.
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#24 Religion, Creativity & Deleuze
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#23 Integral Psych & Culture
We talk with Integral Psychologist Mark Forman about Integral theory, how it informs his view of the IDW, Trump, traditional psych, today’s culture, and much more!
Jason & I talk with Integral Psychologist Mark Forman about his journey to Integral theory & transpersonal psychology, how it differs from traditional psych, Integral's four quadrants & levels/stages frameworks, Sam Harris's conversational challenges, perspective-shifting, his reflections on practicing psych, trauma, authoritarian tendencies on the left & right, Trump's cultural impact, the state of the IDW & Integral, his view on metamodernism, and the Freudian unconscious.
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Reinventing Organizations by Frederic Laloux
Sam Harris & Jordan Peterson Conversations
Sam Harris Podcast: WHAT IS TRUE?, Sam Harris & Jordan Peterson - Vancouver - 1, & Sam Harris & Jordan Peterson - Vancouver - 2
Ken Wilber: The Intellectual Dark Web, an Integral Conversation?
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#22 Meta-Rationality & Sexuality
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#19 Contextualizing the Spiritual
We talk with Jordan Hall about how spirituality relates to sovereignty, deep code, virtuous feedback loops, robots, intuition, the weird and much more.
Jason & I talk with Jordan Hall about how spirituality relates to sovereignty, deep code, virtuous feedback loops, individual & cultural development, the logos of robots, intuition, the weird, parenthood and more!
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Jordan's Article on Sovereignty
ALTER EGO Video - Can Extinction Rebellion Unlock Collective Sacrifice?"
Recommended Jordan Interviews
Zion 2.0 Podcast: Part 1 - Distributed Intelligence & Part 2 - Our Future Sense-Making
Emerge Podcast: Sovereignty, Resonance, and Liminality
Rebel Wisdom: Deep Code: Jordan (Green)Hall Documentary
The Jim Rutt Show: Interview
Other Life Podcast: Deep Code with Jordan Hall
Intellectual Explorers Podcast: Interview
#18 Changing Systems
We talk with Evan Driscoll about what leads to dysfunctional systems, coordination, contemplative practice & much more!
Jason & I talk with Evan Driscoll about what leads to dysfunctional systems, coordination, social isolation, habits & behaviors that create better collective action, following our passions, burnout, hedonism, contemplative practice & more.
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#17 Reflecting on Both/And
We reflect on past episodes, themes, and a laundry list of related topics we think are worth exploring more.
Jason & I reflect on recent episodes & themes, their evolving perspectives on memetic mediation, and a laundry list of related topics they think are worth exploring more.
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Episode #15 Being a Baha'i Creative with Samah Tokmachi
Episode #16 Mind Fitness & Gender with Chance Lunceford
Tweet: Diverging parallel realities
Book: The Elephant in the Brain: Hidden Motives in Everyday Life
Emerge Podcast Episode: Daniel Schmachtenberger - Utopia or Bust
Episode #10 Culture, Tech & Collaboration with Jess
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